Michael Jackson Interview on 60 Minutes

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Wogóle podobno policja amerykańska nie jest za delkatna, a potrafi być wręcz brutalna.

a o tym pisała nasza kochana i nieoceniona Marta

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Wogóle podobno policja amerykańska nie jest za delkatna, a potrafi być wręcz brutalna.

Dokładnie...

Narazie funkcja search na mjjforum jes offline, ale poszukam tych inf, jak tylko będą dostępne. Może to brzmi głupio ale ja mam bzika na punkcie tej sprawy Uwielbiam dyskutować na ten temat, dowiadywać się nowych rzeczy i probować te sprawe rozgryść ... Choć jak dotąd mi się to nie udało...

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Narazie funkcja search na mjjforum jes offline, ale poszukam tych inf, jak tylko będą dostępne. Może to brzmi głupio ale ja mam bzika na punkcie tej sprawy Uwielbiam dyskutować na ten temat, dowiadywać się nowych rzeczy i probować te sprawe rozgryść ... Choć jak dotąd mi się to nie udało...

o to świetnie, , ja nie za bardzo nie umiem się na tym forum poruszac, zreszta chyba sporo watków jest wykasowanych.

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Mysle ze nasz MJ mowil prawde i nic nie wymyslil ani nie przesadzil, skoro sa FANI ktorzy mu nie wierza w jego opowiesci na komisarjacie to dlaczego mu wierzycie jesli mowi ze nie molestowal dzieci? Przeciez tam tez moze klamac wedlug waszego myslenia? Dla mnie policja potraktowala go brutalnie! I to bardzo. Trzymali go w smierdzacym (napisze ) KIBLU! Skuli go za mocno.Mial siniaki, Nie mogl spac poniewaz mial takze obolaly bark potym jak mu policjant wygial reke po zalozeniu kajdanek, Pamietajcie ze to byli ludzie tego psychopaty Seddona! Czyli mieli w glowie obraz Miachael zboczenca oraz pedofila. Mysleli ze MJ jest winny w 200% wiec mogli zrobic z nim co chcieli! Tak mysleli oni, a prawda jest Inna. Wracajac do fanow ktorzy mu nie wierza,dziwi mnie to bardzo, Jak mozna mu nie wierzyc? Jesli mowicie ze MJ klamal to moze i sklamal przed policja, przed swoim prawnikiem, przed sadem ze nie molestowal dzieci? Pomyslcie o tym . Bo pewnie Mj jest dumny z takich fanow ktorzy mu nie wierza .

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Spokooojnie... wierzymy Mu. Ja zastanawiam się nad tym, czy nie było to troszkę przesadzone (z tą toaletą, bo akurat w kajdanki wierzę). Ale nie można tak sobie - bez żadnych dowodów - mówić, że na pewno nie przesadzał etc. A porównywanie tej drobniejszej sprawy, do sprawy sądowej... Cóż. Wtedy to przynajmniej miałam wyraźne "dowody" w postaci rodzinki Arvizo

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CO do Toalety to mysle ze go tam trzymali, jak juz wczesniej napisalem ludzie Szatana Seddona mieli go za winnego i bawili sie MJ. Policja nigdy sie nie przyzna do zlego traktowania skazanych. A dlaczego Mj odpuscil im? Proste, sam by zeznawal przeciwko armii demonow Seddona, nie bylo swiadkow ze go przetrzymywali. A wiecie dobrze ze policja trzyma sie razem i nigdy nie beda zeznawac przeciwko sobie. Takze Mj byl sam i mial przeciwko sobie caly komisariat.

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Pamietajcie ze to byli ludzie tego psychopaty Seddona! Czyli mieli w glowie obraz Miachael zboczenca oraz pedofila. Mysleli ze MJ jest winny w 200% wiec mogli zrobic z nim co chcieli!

Ja też Mu wierzę. Potraktowali go bardzo brutalnie też zgoda.

Moim zdaniem musieli być przekonani o winie Michaela na 1000 %, albo i więcej, skoro tak się z Nim obeszli.

Jesli mowicie ze MJ klamal to moze i sklamal przed policja, przed swoim prawnikiem, przed sadem ze nie molestowal dzieci? Pomyslcie o tym .

Wcale nie mówię, że skłamał. Poprostu nie wszyscy mogli Mu uwierzyć.

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Spokooojnie... wierzymy Mu. Ja zastanawiam się nad tym, czy nie było to troszkę przesadzone (z tą toaletą, bo akurat w kajdanki wierzę). Ale nie można tak sobie - bez żadnych dowodów - mówić, że na pewno nie przesadzał etc. A porównywanie tej drobniejszej sprawy, do sprawy sądowej... Cóż. Wtedy to przynajmniej miałam wyraźne "dowody" w postaci rodzinki Arvizo

Widze, ze zachowujesz się jak niewierny Tomasz ok. ale pamietaj, ze Mike jest raczej prostolinijny, a poza tym nie miał za bardzo powodów zeby przesadzać czy kłamać w tej sprawie. To dlaczego prawnicy odpuścli sobie tą sprawę musi mieć jakiś racjonalny powód, moze ta sprawa jeszcze wróci, Mez jest w końcu świetnym prawnikiem, moze cos wymyśli. Ja mu tam wierze i nie potrzebuje zadnych dowodów.

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Widze, ze zachowujesz się jak niewierny Tomasz

Ktoś musi

nie potrzebuje zadnych dowodów.

Pozazdrościć ... Ja już taka jestem. Nie ufam tak do końca nikomu. Nie uwierzę "na piękne oczy". I muszę przyznać, że już wiele razy dobrze na tym wyszłam...

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'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for Dec. 29, 2003


Monday, 29 December 2003
'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for Dec. 29
Read the complete transcript to Monday's showUpdated: 11:22 a.m. ET Dec. 30, 2003Guest: Phil Lempert, Socorro Serrano, John Loftus, Diane Diamond

OLBERMANN: Coming up: More mudslide threatening parts of Southern California, and we‘ll put the Michael Jackson doo-doo story to the videotape smell test.

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OLBERMANN: Our fourth story of the COUNTDOWN, tonight: Your entertainment dollars in action. Day 42 of the Michael Jackson investigation. Last night Jackson told millions of TV viewers that the day he turned himself in to the Santa Barbara County sheriff, officers locked him in a bathroom for 45 minutes, a bathroom whose walls were covered with, in his own words, “doo-doo.” The math didn‘t seem to add up. The day Jackson surrendered, a sheriff‘s spokesman said the entire booking process only lasted 30 to 45 minutes. But, the videotapes don‘t lie, and Jackson‘s memory may not have either. Jackson entered the sheriff‘s facility at 12:24 p.m. Pacific and he left at 1:34 p.m. Pacific, that‘s 70 minutes, a maximum of 45 of which were spent in the actual booking process leaving 25 minutes or more for Jackson to have been locked in amid the doo-doo.

That, of course, was hardly the only topic in Jackson‘s first on-camera appearance since his arrest. Reaction, in a moment, from the reporter who‘s been ahead of this story since the beginning, “Court TV‘s” Diane Dimond. First, the “60 Minutes” interview itself. Our reporter is Jim Avila.

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JIM AVILA, NBC CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): First, came the blanket denial.

MICHAEL JACKSON, POP STAR: Totally false. Before I would hurt a child, I would slit my wrists. I would never hurt a child.

AVILA: Michael Jackson interviewed at a Los Angeles hotel on Christmas day telling “60 Minutes” he first met his 13-year-old accuser when the cancer victim was very sick from chemotherapy. The boy made many visits to Neverland, Jackson‘s Santa Barbara county ranch, where the singer says they climb trees together, played video games, and according to Jackson, slept in the same room, but not the same bed.

JACKSON: Well, what‘s wrong with sharing your bed? I didn‘t say I slept in the bed. Even if I did sleep in the bed, it‘s OK. I am not going to do anything sexual to a child. It‘s not where my heart is.

AVILA: Jackson went on the offensive claiming the boy‘s mother is after money and charging that 80 sheriff‘s deputies trashed his home while searching it for evidence and then mistreated him during the arrest leaving bruises on his body.

JACKSON: They manhandled me very roughly. My shoulder is dislocated, literally. It‘s hurting me very badly. I‘m in pain all the time.

AVILA: As for his ranch, Jackson says it is no longer his primary residence.

JACKSON: I won‘t live there ever again. I‘ll visit Neverland. It‘s a house now, it‘s not a home anymore.

AVILA: Spoiled, he says, by investigators, who will next see Jackson in court January 16.

Jim Avila, NBC News, Santa Barbara.

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OLBERMANN: Reaction to Jackson‘s aggressiveness in that interview was swift. The Santa Barbara County sheriff‘s department releasing its official statement, basically reiterating an earlier one about all this, quoting, The department would again re-emphasize that Mr. Jackson was treated with courtesy and professionalism throughout the arrest and booking process.” Nothing about the doo-doo.

And, the bizarre references that Michael Jackson chose to use in his defense did not go unnoticed either. This reaction from a former attorney of the accuser‘s family, quoting him, “It seemed to me like he reindicted himself...His reference to being Jack the Ripper or a pedophile or not being Jack the Ripper or a pedophile, I thought was very strange.”

Now as promised, we turn to the authority on all things Jackson for her reaction of the interview that was heard around the world, “Court TV‘s” Diane Dimond.

Diane, good evening.

DIANE DIMOND, “COURT TV”: Hi Keith. Don‘t ask me about doo-doo, OK?

OLBERMANN: OK well...

DIMOND: OK.

OLBERMANN: ...not first, at least, anyway. In his accusations, the first time he has said these things, though his brother Jermaine had said them on “Dan Abram‘s Show” here, weeks back.

DIMOND: Right.

OLBERMANN: First, being locked in the bathroom, whatever details after that are irrelevant, does it ring true would the officers be dumb enough to hand him an anecdote that makes him look like a victim? And, where‘s Mark Geragos during those 45 minutes?

DIMOND: Well look, we can go back and forth on this. Prisoners are locked in bathrooms when they go in, when they knock on the door, they‘re unlocked, and allowed out. I am told, by sources inside the Santa Barbara County sheriff‘s department, that they locked him in there as usual, but also to protect him. Look, your point is very well taken. Mark Geragos was in that building with him the whole time. Do you think if Michael Jackson was locked in the bathroom for 45 minutes, taunted repeatedly by sheriff‘s department officials, manhandled, had his shoulder dislocated, don‘t you think Mark Geragos would have come marching out of that office and reported it all to the media? We were all standing out there waiting.

OLBERMANN: And you mentioned the shoulder, and he couldn‘t raise either arm above his shoulder as he demonstrated for Ed Bradley, and yet he waved on the way out of the sheriff‘s station—doctors would say perhaps those were late-presenting symptoms. Is there any other explanation?

DIMOND: Watch his hand on the banister, there. He puts his full weight on the banister as he comes down the stairs on one shoulder, raises his arm up on the other throwing kisses, doing the peace sign. Look, the bottom line is Michael Jackson needed to have his say. He got it on national television last night. But, I‘m not sure he did himself a whole world of good because I think there‘s a whole world of people that just don‘t buy a lot of what he said, not only the injuries, but the 70 -- 80 police officers inside his bedroom. I‘m told there were only about 60 ever dispatched out there. There was too much “I‘m the victim here.” “my arms,” “my house, I can never go back to,” “my bruise on my arm.” I don‘t think he struck the tone he meant to strike, there.

OLBERMANN: The other thing that struck me about this was this—the thing that apparently was from off camera, he was stopped from going into further detail about, his theory that his new CD is No. 1 around the world except in the U.S. because of a conspiracy.

DIMOND: But yet he was never asked, a conspiracy by who? The police? Tommy Mottola? I mean, what was that about? It was just one of many, many questions follow-ups that I kept waiting for last night and I just didn‘t hear.

OLBERMANN: Tommy Mottola, Andy Lack, somebody like that.

The last thing, the CBS entertainment spokesman said that the network was not reschedule the entertainment special that Jackson had done unless he addressed the molestation charges with the network‘s news division. Did the whole thing thus, have the feeling of a quid pro quo?

DIMOND: Well, nobody officially is using that word, but certainly it does and I think it put Ed Bradley, who is a veteran correspondent, on a—the granddaddy of all news magazines, in a very tough spot. First of all, I don‘t think he got enough time to ask the follow-up questions he should have or probably wanted to. And then to have this whole idea, this specter hanging over his head, well, OK, once you do this, no matter what you say, then we‘re going to go ahead and give you this special that you want, Michael, that‘s going to help you sell your CD that, yes indeed, is floundering here in America. So, it just didn‘t smack of anything I‘ve ever heard surrounding the vulnerable old show, “60 Minutes,” ever before. I think people are embarrassed there, today.

OLBERMANN: Well, just generally speaking, doo-doo runs downhill. So, there we have it. “Court TV‘s” Diane Dimond.

DIMOND: Only you could get away with this, Keith.

OLBERMANN: One hopes so. Many...

DIMOND: My pleasure.

OLBERMANN: Many thanks.

DIMOND: You bet.

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Chodzi mi dokładnie o ten zaznaczony fragment:
Zdięcia, wypełnianie dokumentów, odciski palców: Wszystko to zdaniem szeryfa powinno trwać jakieś 30 - 45 minut. MJ wszedł na komisariat o 12:24, a wyszedł dopiero o 13:34, to by dawało 70 minut. Co działo się z MJ prze reszte tego czasu, dlaczego trwało to tak długo...? Jeszcze jedno, Geargos'a nie było z MJ w tym czasie, ponoć był na górze podpisując dokumenty... To jest dość podejrzane...

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MJ wszedł na komisariat o 12:34, a wyszedł dopiero o 13:24, to by dawało 70 minut.

12:24 i 13:34

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Transcript: Interview with Gary Dunlap


Friday, 02 January 2004



GARY: Pardon, what was that?

RON: I have a couple of questions regarding the case against Jackson, you know, not specific, but in general. Are you aware that the attorney general is now investigating the investigation and the procedures that have gone on both in terms of the investigation from day one, the legitimacy that the case should ever have been filed in the first place, the charges. And secondly, with respect to the way that Michael Jackson was treated, or allegedly treated, when he was arrested. And that includes the marks that we were talking about in the photograph that we saw that was allegedly taken after he was arrested, you know, and being locked in the bathroom for, they say 15 minutes and he says 45 minutes, and you and I talked about that as well. Can you tell us a little bit about, you know, first of all with respect to the injuries, the handcuffs and so on? Can you tell us a little bit about your thoughts on that?

GARY: Well, my experience is well, first of all, Jackson would not have had a watch on when he went through the booking process. They would have taken his personal items off. So even if he wore a watch in, he would not have had a watch with him, so when he says that he was detained in the bathroom for 45 minutes, I think that that’s the way it feels because it’s absolutely true that he would have been locked into that bathroom and it does feel probably longer than it really is. I know that in my own case it is not uncommon that when you go into that jail, particularly, I know in my own case…..

RON: Are you talking about the Santa Barbara…

GARY: If you go in to visit one of your inmates, unless you go through an extraordinary procedure weeks in advance, you cannot have what they call a contact visit with your client. That is when you can sit in the same room with him and talk with him face to face. You have to talk through the glass just like any other thing, which makes it very difficult for a lawyer to develop a relationship with his client and to go over documents together and this type of thing. And when they put you into that room sometimes you have to wait an extraordinary period of time for them to bring the inmate in. And then after you’re finished with your interview to get out of the visitation room, your side of the visiting room, can take as long as they want it to take.

RON: Do they do that on purpose, do you think?

GARY: Well, I don’t want to say it’s on purpose, Ron, I mean, you know, they say we’ll get there as soon as we can. But sometimes that seems like a very, very long time. And I’ve noticed in my case it does seem to be extraordinarily long and I frequently have to call several times and ask for a supervisor before I’m released from the visitation room. Now, is it intentional or are they just busy, I mean, they are busy, you know. So it’s not something that you can prove. I don’t think that the AG is going to find any misconduct because it’s not the kind of misconduct that you can prove.

RON: Are you talking about being locked in the bathroom or are you talking about in general?

GARY: I’m talking about the extended period of time type of thing. I do know that they have officers there, some of whom are very nice and very helpful and very professional. They have others who have reputations for being impolite, aggressive, and forceful – overly forceful. It sort of depends on what officer is assigned but what Michael Jackson alleges I know has happened in other cases.

RON: Are you talking about the injury now?

GARY: The injury as well as the delay as well as the inappropriate remarks to him while he was in the bathroom. And I know that those things have happened to others. So when he makes the allegation, I have the tendency to believe him because how else, I mean, how would he even think to say those things? Because I’ve had several of my clients make those identical kinds of complaints to me. And so, when he said that, I have a tendency to believe him based on my own experience. But, on the other hand, in any given instance, you can’t prove it. One of the things that Greta was talking with Diane Dimond and they were pooh-poohing Jackson’s remarks, they were talking about, well Geragos was right there with him throughout that whole procedure. That’s not true.

RON: Well, I think they were there too, though, weren’t they, Gary?

GARY: Well, the media was all there, I mean, it was a circus. But the point is, once you go into the booking process nobody is with you. They don’t let your lawyer go in and stand next to you while you’re being booked. And I would be extraordinarily surprised, in fact, I know it did not, I can’t believe that it happened. Geragos was not allowed past the closed doors of the booking room.

RON: Well, did they videotape that as a normal course? I know that they had some audio tape and video tape of, you know, of the booking process, how he was arrested and handcuffed in the car, and so on. Do they videotape the entire process? Do they videotape only parts of it? Do they videotape the whole process and then edit it out to the parts that they want you to see? Or how does that all work? You would think, especially in this case –

GARY: Well, the jail system has a video surveillance system in the booking room. Now, what they release, you know, I don’t know. To regular people they don’t release any of it. As long as we’re talking about videotaping it and the press and some of this kind of thing, one of Michael Jackson’s biggest complaints was the fact of the amount of coverage and the number of officers and the amount of coverage.

RON: Are you talking about the search of the property?

GARY: Yes, it was at the search of his property. And I will tell you that it is against the law for information to be disseminated regarding a search warrant until after the search warrant has been executed and returned to the issuing magistrate.

RON: We did talk about that and I was going to mention that. You mentioned your case.


GARY: In my case, I know that the district attorney, I know that the district attorney’s office does leak that kind of information out, which is illegal.

RON: To the press?

GARY: To the press, to certain members of the press.

RON: To certain members of the press.

GARY: Right.

RON: I see.

source: mjjforum

Kawałek wywiadu z Garym Dunlapem:
MJ powiedział, że był zamknięty w łazience przez 45 minut. Problem w tym, że podczas kiedy był na komisariacie, nie miał na ręku zegarka... bo zabrano mu go przed założeniem kajdanek... Kiedy jesteś na komisariacie i chcesz skorzystać z łazienki, zawsze jest ona zamykana i otwierana dopiero kiedy chcesz wyjść... Dunlap mówił też, że MJ mogło się wydawać, że był zamknięty dłużej niż to mialo miejsce naprawde...
Dużo zależy od tego na jakich oficerów się trafi, niektórzy są mili i bardzo pomocni, ale niektórzy są też agresywni i potrafią nadużywać swojej władzy. To co zdarzyło się w wypadku MJ, zdarzało się też wcześniej, w wypadku innych aresztowanych. Niektórzy klienci Gariego Dunlapa skarżyli się na niemal identyczne traktowanie. Gunlap mówi, ze wierzy MJ ze względu na własne doświadczenie, nie rozumie dlaczego MJ miałby wymyślać tak absurdalne oskarżenia. Niestety tego typu nadużyć nie da się udowodnić. Geragos nie mógł być wówczas z MJ podczas pobierania odcisków palców itd., prawnikom nie wolno przekraczać drzwi tego pomieszczenia.

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MJ wszedł na komisariat o 12:34, a wyszedł dopiero o 13:24, to by dawało 70 minut.

12:24 i 13:34

O przepraszam....

Poprawione...

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OK nie mial zegarka a pytania policjantow "Jak podoba ci sie zapach? Smierdzi ci tam dobrze ?" Jesli kieruje sie pytanie tego typu "czy smierdzi ci tam dobrze?" to chyba wiadomo o co chodzi...Takie pytania padaly do MJ jak go tam zamkneli:surrender:

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OK nie mial zegarka a pytania policjantow "Jak podoba ci sie zapach? Smierdzi ci tam dobrze ?" Jesli kieruje sie pytanie tego typu "czy smierdzi ci tam dobrze?" to chyba wiadomo o co chodzi...Takie pytania padaly do MJ jak go tam zamkneli:surrender:

No dokładnie... Dunlap powiedział przecież, że wierzy MJ bo takie historie zdarzały się juz wcześniej... Nie ma tu nic negatywnego...

A co do tego zegarka, faktem jest, ze MJ był przetrzymywany dłużej niż powinien, nie wiadomo tylko czy było to dokładnie 45 minut, ale to nie jest tu takie istotne...

Ponoć oni mają tam jakieś taśmy, z tym, ze te nagrania nie są udostępniane, to tyle co do ewentualnych nieprzyjemnych odzywek... Podobnie jak można było usłyszeć taśme z samochodu kiedy przewożono MJ do komisariatu, podejrzenia wzbudził fakt, że podczas konferencji prasowej szeryf puścił tylko część tej taśmy, bez kawałka gdzie MJ skarżył się na zaciasne kajdanki, te część dopowiedział. Możliwe, że ta taśma była montowana, żeby wyciąć niewygodne fragmenty... Mieli wówczas przewage, bo MJ nie wiedział, że jest nagrywany...